Lower clone prices, cut the delay in jump cloning, get rid of leaning implants, speed up training to compensate.

You shouldn't have to train more slowly because you PVP. For as much as CCP claims to want to encourage PVP, the loss of SP gain speed (or the loss of a very expensive pod) is one of the biggest barriers to jumping into the null sec pool.

You have a very short vision of what gaming and fun is and would like Eve to be what it was back in your stone age 2003.

Flash news: it's not and you'll have to get over it sooner than later.

..... are more players not liking the current status than the other way around, will you get over it ?

I'm definitely a fan of getting rid of clone upgrades completely. Just an annoying and pointless ritual to go through which punishes me for being absentminded and forgetful and rewards me for having a smartphone and Aura.

Or at least have some sort of undock warning dialogue. That's not exactly babying us any more than jumping into low-sec is it?

This.

Clone costs are a bit pointless to be honest. What does the clone cost actually achieve other than an ISK sink?

Or less tedious. And by golly eve needs to do it self every favour it can on that front.

I'm not quite sure how 'can we get rid of this pointless death and distraction tax?' really equates to 'give me a flight stick please'

each to their own and their ADHD meds though.

a 10 year old character may not be any better at flying T1 frigs than a 1 year old, however he has an order of magnitude in clone liability over the younger player.

I would be all for adding clones to the market, if that didn't mean that you cannot change where your clone is installed at any time.

Not a massive change for overall game, but a huge change for higher SP players now able to have fun flying a cheapo throw away T1 frig for fun since it doesn't use any more SP to fly it than a lower SP character.

I agree that that's what the game encourages, and it's why I started this character for PvP.

It also means my alt rarely leaves highsec as I'm unwilling to double up core, defense and combat training for him. I'm not sure if that is really the sort of behaviour the game should encourage.

No it is clone prices. Otherwise I would happily lump all my SP on one character and have augmented jump clones for different activities, with the implants I choose to insert being the risk I take for the rewards I perceive and no different to fitting my ship.

I'm not against alts I just don't think you should have to play with all three characters to avoid bad game design features.

Now Goons are the ones with the expensive clones....

Gaming must be a fun experience even when the loss is "total", many changes including the increasing number of higher SP characters playing the game will have an impact on this positive change so that login to Eve does not enforce the feeling of having a second job or require microtransactions (I already pay my sub with real money and it's clearly enough)

Once again you're jumping on someone comment and state silly things.

this guy gets it!

ankles... i dont like paying so much isk for loosing a frig

So you're saying I'm being penalized, because I didn't plan my character training correctly?

The only advantage is being able to use different ships. When you fly a frig, there are only so many skills you use. It's the same for everyone. This is what makes Eve's skill system so great.

People should not be punished for having one account or training only one character. As much as I agree with many things you say bud, that's simply illogical. You're basically saying sure you can fly anything you want, but to keep clone costs down, you must train multiple character and have multiple accounts.

The cost of replacing many of my clones, dwarfs the medical cost. This isn't simply about ISK, it's about balance and changing a mechanic that penalizes longevity. It's about allowing people to choose.

Test v goons is irrelevant to me and this tbh.
But CCP haven't been vague. Page 48 of the last CSM meeting will tell you exactly what they think of this and even the SP loss.

I'm all for sinks and would like more to be introduced. But this sink needs a rework.

But there is one problem with your stance, I haven't simply trained up one character. I have in fact 4 high SP characters. I would have had 8, but I have sold 4 character that were way over 100 mil SP and closed the accounts. Having one character is not an advantage, that's why I have more. More chars make life a lot easier, because I can be in multiple places at the same time.

Each character I have, can do certain things better than the other. I simply don't understand your stance. It makes no sense.

OK fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Is that OK?